1st GEN Celica Surge Tank Ideas

[SillyCarS]

i put mine in the engine bay, i dont have to re route any lines at all, just use standard ones. Later when i start chasing some big numbers it will be reconfigured though

[The Real Roadrunner]

the only thing i dont like about that is if you have a front ender the tank may split and pour fuel the whole way through your engine bay.
the resulting fire may be the end of your life.
cheers
linden

[MWP]

the only thing i dont like about that is if you have a front ender the tank may split and pour fuel the whole way through your engine bay.

Agreed... putting the tank there to me is a *really* bad idea.

Those front corners of the chassis/body are not strong, and it wouldnt take much of a prang to damage the surge tank in that position.
I doubt you would find an engineer or even Regency would pass that.

[SillyCarS]

thanks for the comments guys i appreciate it, like i said it wil be a temporary fix to get myself mobile once again, eventually i will have MAD DAT over hear put a fuel cell in my rear tyre well. just a case of who has the most money at the moment

[Gold28]

mwp- as impressive as it is its not wat i was after...im looking at perpex type boxes.

nath- im goin to give the box ago myself...not until the car is running tho,just doing some research atm..

u able to come around next weekend?

I don't think perspex is fuel resistant. You might want to check this before investing too much time and money in it.

[The Real Roadrunner]

I don't think perspex is fuel resistant. You might want to check this before investing too much time and money in it.

lexan is but the funny thing to me is that most of the time i see these types of boxes the fwits have the lines coming through holes into the car then out through the boot floor,
kind of defeats the purpose doesnt it.
cheers
linden

[magicmitch]

oh really? ive seen plastic enclosures before... is there a difference of perpex and plastic? i always thought it was basically the same shit....

im goin to make something like this...


Shot with COACH 1.0 at 2007-08-05

[Gold28]

Yeah plastics ain't plastics. There are many different types and some will react with fuel. That photo is a great example of what Linden just said too. The box is just there for show and I guess stopping your grocerys from hitting the fuel pump. It definitly isn't stopping fumes. Not a problem in this car as the original tank is in the boot but not really appropriate for a hatchback.

You can do perspex covers, it just needs a bit of thought as Linden pointed out. Use an appropriate type of plastic and design it so that it is actually going to stop fumes.

[BeRad]

While were on topic of fuel in the engine bay, would it be fine to put it againest the firewall behind a strut tower etc?, i just dont have alot of space and i dont want it under the car as the car doesnt have massive amounts of clearance, but im not going to put it in the bay if its going to cause a massive risk.

[fade-e]

the pic in magicmitch's post is my car setup. it is an engineerable setup in NSW. please also note that the pic is missing some parts and is not complete.

it is missing a perspex plate behind the fuel pump and some screws and fasteners to bring it all together (have it all just wasnt in the pic). it is also going to be lined with rubber to make it as air tight as possible. there is also going to be a plate made up that will sit under it (out of alloy) to make it more stable. and another plate up against the back seat to pretty much enclose it completely in the boot. the boot is then going to be vented (still not sure exactly where) to reduce the smell and build up of any fumes as the battery is on the opposite side.

as it sits on the chassis rail, it is pretty much protected from a rear ender. it is far enough from the side to protect against a side impact.

the only issue the engineer had with this setup is fumes, accident and explosion. accident is sorted by where it sits, explosion is sorted by the boot being/getting boxed in and the fumes are sorted by good ventilation and enclosures.

the engineer and myself spent alot of time and effort to work out the best way to get the setup in the boot because i dont want it done in the engine bay or under the car. also out guesstimate is that it should balance the car a little more to oppose the battery on the other side as well as the extra weight on the front from the engine and big brake setup.

we might be talking a few kilos here and there but at the end of the day it all counts to a well balanced car.

cheers

[MWP]

it is also going to be lined with rubber to make it as air tight as possible....

Air tight from the boot space, but hopefully not air tight altogether.
Really it should be vented to outside of the car, via a hose through the bottom of the box to under the car.

... otherwise what happens if you get a fuel leak in there, the box would just fill up with petrol

Same goes with battery boxes in the back of cars, they should be sealed to the inside of the car, but vent outside the car.

[The Real Roadrunner]

thanks for the comments guys i appreciate it, like i said it wil be a temporary fix to get myself mobile once again, eventually i will have MAD DAT over hear put a fuel cell in my rear tyre well. just a case of who has the most money at the moment

wasnt having a dig, just making sure ppl didn't go thinking it was the best solution.
cheers
linden

[fade-e]

MWP: like i said mate 'the boot is then going to be vented (still not sure exactly where) to reduce the smell and build up of any fumes'.. im not exactly sure how i am going to vent it out... i was thinking of going through the rear quarter vents on both sides, under the car...

there are a heap of options, im just not too sure which im going to use

cheers

[TA22 GT]

Guys,
I imported a fuel tank from a US spec TA22 that comes factory with internal baffle plates and small pump. This tank has a bigger opening for the pump, level sensor as you will see in the pic. JUST enough to fit the bosch pump.

I then modified it to accept the high flow Bosch pump. See link for more info. This is work I did in January 2001, you will see it on my site.
http://users.chariot.net.au/~stmezz/simons.htm
Cheers,
Simon

["Z" UTE]

Ibz,

Here are the only pics I have of the surge tank and pump in the TA22, Unfortunatly Idon't have anythat show the mounting base or the copper lines that go through the floor panel to the main pump. I would do the feed to the main pump a little differently if I was to do it again tho.

This pic shows the carter black lift pump mounted the back of the rear seat bracing and its prefilter. As you can see the tank has had a new pic up and return line fitted so the liftpump can be fed via a 5/16 line which then feeds the surge tank of course. The main pump is gravity fed below the surge tank (see second pic)

The latest setup, that I am using on a TA22, locates the surge tank pre pump, and HP pump in the same position that Rod has mounted his HP pump and filter. I had a surge tank made up, that had all the inlets and outlets on one end cap., with a mounting strap welded along the length of the tank. Everything attaches nicely to the chassis rail. HP filter has migrated to the engine bay.

cheers Chuck.