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    Hey all,

    Did a quick search but the terms are too short to search for properly.

    Just wondering the difference between NPT and PT sized threads? I currently have 2 temp and 1 pressure sensor all in 1/8 PT but every adapter ive looked at has 1/8 NPT sized holes. Does anyone know where adapters can be purchased with 1/8 PT thread sizing? Cheers.

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    Default Re: NPT vs PT sizing

    check this article originally posted by Mos

    http://www.colder.com/Downloads/NPT.pdf

    also lots of info on wikipedia search wiki for national pipe thread
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    Default Re: NPT vs PT sizing

    Quote Originally Posted by Big T
    Hey all,

    Did a quick search but the terms are too short to search for properly.

    Just wondering the difference between NPT and PT sized threads? I currently have 2 temp and 1 pressure sensor all in 1/8 PT but every adapter ive looked at has 1/8 NPT sized holes. Does anyone know where adapters can be purchased with 1/8 PT thread sizing? Cheers.

    Eddie.
    i thought that the threads were 1/8" BSP......
    You could try your local hydrolic's shop, eg. Enzed, or Pirtec....
    They should have an adaptor...

    Q:- what motor they is on..??
    I found that the toyota oil pressure was 1/8" BSP...
    NPT is an American thread size...

    cheers
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    Default Re: NPT vs PT sizing

    Quote Originally Posted by GA61XX
    i thought that the threads were 1/8" BSP......
    You could try your local hydrolic's shop, eg. Enzed, or Pirtec....
    They should have an adaptor...

    Q:- what motor they is on..??
    I found that the toyota oil pressure was 1/8" BSP...
    NPT is an American thread size...

    cheers
    I've found that is true on my old 4AGE - the oil pressure sender thread was 1/8 BSP, so i got a BSP-NPT adaptor from Motorsport connections, seven hills.

    On my 18R-G though, i can get a 1/8 NPT thread sender into the oil filter mount - so i dunno if all toyota engines have 1/8 BSP threads?
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    Cheers guys.

    I finally figured out what the standard PT means... its actually the Japanese Industrial Standard for threads. I found an awesome PDF that shows thread interchangeability:

    http://www.pneumation.ca/website_pdf...pipethread.pdf

    JIS standards are basically the same as BSP which explains why all BSP threads will fit into our Jap made engines

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    Default Re: NPT vs PT sizing

    I've found that is true on my old 4AGE - the oil pressure sender thread was 1/8 BSP
    I can confirm this.

    http://www.toymods.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20467
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    Default Re: NPT vs PT sizing

    BSP =British pipe thread?
    NPT = National pipe thread?

    One CAN (not ideal but still works) can be used in one but it wont work the other way round.
    E.G. NPT wll go into BSP but BSP wont go into NPT. Or maybe its the other way around.

    Never heard of JIS heard of JIC just not JIS. Whats JIS?

    Oh, cheers for the chart BIG T thats awesome mate. Thanks!
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    JIS is written on many alloy wheels
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    Default Re: NPT vs PT sizing

    Arr ok cheers steve, what does it represent on a wheel tho?

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    Default Re: NPT vs PT sizing

    JIS is the Japanese standard (Japanese Industrial Standard)

    JIS pipe thread = BSP

    Quote Originally Posted by website
    Japanese Standards
    PF - JIS Parallel Pipe Threads

    PF threads are functionally interchangeable with BSPP. This is an old designations replaced with G.

    Applicable Standards

    * JIS B 202 PARALLEL PIPE THREADS
    * ISO 228/1 PIPE THREADS PT 1: DESIGNATION, DIMENSIONS, TOLERANCE

    PT - JIS Taper Pipe Threads

    PT threads are functionally interchangeable with BSPT threads. This is an old designations replaced with and R and Rc.

    Applicable Standards

    * JIS B 0203 TAPER PIPE THREADS
    * ISO 7/1 PIPE THREADS: DESIGNATION, DIMENSIONS/TOLERANCES

    PS - JIS Parallel Internal Pipe Threads (to mate with PT threads)

    Applicable Standards

    * JIS B 0203 TAPER PIPE THREADS
    http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/th...rds-d_776.html



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    I have found BSP and NPT to be interchangeable in practice at 1/8 and 1/4 sizes.
    NPT is national pipe taper
    BSP is British std pipe. Usually you have a BSPT OR BSPP taper or parallel designation.
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    Default Re: NPT vs PT sizing

    when i tried to put an NPT threaded sender into the BSP threaded socket on my 4A-GE, it didnt go. I felt thread interference and so went and double checked with a fittings specialist who suggested i try the adaptor.

    BSP-NPT adaptor = win.
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    Default Re: NPT vs PT sizing

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffro ra28
    Arr ok cheers steve, what does it represent on a wheel tho?
    If you are referring to an alloy wheel specifically one made in japan, the little logo present on them that says JIL or something like that is a stamp to say theyve passed tests aimed at testing theyre strength.

    On a side note, american wheels are generally stronger than japanese ones as the tests put more force on the wheels than the japenese tests. In both tests though they put weight on the wheel and drop it at an angle at a predetermined height. Pretty sure this is because generally american cars are heavier than japanese ones.
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    Default Re: NPT vs PT sizing

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffro ra28
    BSP =British pipe thread?
    NPT = National pipe thread?

    One CAN (not ideal but still works) can be used in one but it wont work the other way round.
    E.G. NPT wll go into BSP but BSP wont go into NPT. Or maybe its the other way around.

    Never heard of JIS heard of JIC just not JIS. Whats JIS?

    Oh, cheers for the chart BIG T thats awesome mate. Thanks!
    JIS = Jap Industrial Std
    JIC = Joint Industries Council, a group that got together to "standardise" these things, and are probably still working on it. JIC is most commonly described for the 37.5 degree taper you see on the speedflow/earls/etc fittings.
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