ca18det into a ta22

[kugzs]

just trying to get some information on this conversion. any information and advice would be appreciated. and would it be that much more difficult/expensive than a 4agte


the reasoning;
-newish 1.8L turbo designed for RWD with a good availability of parts/upgrades
-run a ca18 or rb20 gearbox so no need for a custom bellhousing as needed for a 4a>W5X

cheers
josh

[Grega]

folks seem to do these in sprinters.
aside from custom engine mounts and gearbox mount (and the motor already being setup for turbo) its probably a fairly easy conversion to do (if you want turbo)
with a 4AGTE you have to build a turbo manifold, source a turbo to suit, do oil and water lines to it, perhaps run 4AGZE pistons (although some folks do run normal 86kw 4AGE's with good results) dump pipe off turbo ect ect. on a CA18DET most of this is done for you already - they're also very very common and usually overlooked for the SR20DET.

[LeeRoy]

Don't put a ca18 into a celica. Those motors are teh poo and make baby jesus cry. If you were going to go to all the trouble of custom engine mounts choose the sr20 as it is a much better motor.

- LeeRoy

[kingmick]

ive done one into a ke25. just have to make all the mounts etc. then get the tailshaft shortend.

[kugzs]

if i were to go this route (sorry baby jesus), would i be able to use (or adapt) the mounts for the ca18 from early corollas or datsuns????
these cars often seem to run ca18s(well more often then celicas). just wondering???


btw has anyone ever done a ca18 in a ta22

[tricky]

I have seen a picture of a CA18 in a TA22, but I don't think the owner frequents these forums. I think the pic is in the Classic celica dedicated thread a few pages in. For the effort, you might as well make new engine mounts. It's unlikely that you'd find a set of custom mounts for another vehicle anyway, so just do it properly.

FWIW, Nissan into toyota is pure sacriledge!!!! But as old school as the CA18 is, at least it'S different to bloody SR20's They can also be made to rev rather nicely. From a toyota purists point of view, build a bombproof 7AGE and turbo it... From an economic standpoint though... It's a different story

[kugzs]

so does this conversion seem to be easier and cheaper than a 4agte??

[Ben Wilson]

They are cheap and strong, sounds like a great idea to me.

I'd take a CA18 over a SR20 any day too....

[skiddz]

i was thinkin about this not too long ago, but the costs involved with the engine mounts taillshaft and gear box significantly outweigh the benefits, a 3tgte would be better plus you dont have the messing around with the engine mounts

i have a ca18de sitting in the shed with full loom and ecu, let me know if ya want it

[kugzs]

sure the 3tgte may be an easier option, but parts avaiability sees the 4ag and ca18 as a better long run option (just my opinion)

anyway thanks all for the opinions. keep em coming.
also if anyone could find any first hand info about a ca18 conversion, it would be greatly appreciated

cheers
josh

["Z" UTE]

A neighbour here in Canberra dropped a CA18 into a KE20. Used a couple of "T" series engine mounts, and cut and shut them with the CA18 brackets. The halfcut set him back $1,800.00. Custom tailshaft was the biggest problem, as the unis from Nissan and KE20 were way off.. And then there was the problem of destroying Corolla diffs!!!!


cheers Chuck

[kugzs]

can we try and compile a lit of all the parts needed for such a conversion;

1. custom engine mounts
2. custom tailshaft
3. engine + gearbox
4. ???
5. ???

thanks guys

[oldcorollas]

i was thinkin about this not too long ago, but the costs involved with the engine mounts taillshaft and gear box significantly outweigh the benefits, a 3tgte would be better plus you dont have the messing around with the engine mounts

bah, engine mounts are piss easy. make out of cardboard and take to workshop and get them to make out of stout metal . tailshaft.. what? $300 for custom? gearbox is attached to engine

As Yellorolla shows, the 3T can be made to perform very very well, but they are not as thick on the ground anymore, and off the shelf manifolds etc are not so common... (how many do ya need tho )

it's a good idea and not really that hard... as long as things like sump fit with cross-member... gearbox fits in trans tunnel... clears all steering gear.. that sort of thing

1. custom engine mounts and rear crossmember
2. custom tailshaft
3. engine + gearbox, line shifter up in the cabin..
4. in-tank EFI pump (modify the bracket from an EFI tank from other car) + new pipes/tubes (just to be sure )
5. loom/wiring.. have to do that anyway..
6. bigger brakes.

if you are handy, as long as sump clears ok (youmay have other options with the different celicas) then it should be as straightforward as fitting a random engine to any other type of car

[kugzs]

thanks oldrolla

bigger breaks are first on the list.

with the sump, trans tunnel, steering gear, how can i check if these will be a problem

[oldcorollas]

hmm... trans tunnel, should prolly be ok.... esp if you can fit a W box in there??

sump. have a look at the CA18 sump and compare shape and position of big bits to the stocker. steering gear... not sure.....cross fingers, hope, and if that doesn't work, go to the rack n pinion

CA looks to be very front sumped http://martybugs.net/DatsunMods/pix/ca18det.jpg


edit: LOL.... errr... that was the neg rep button heh heh