tarago engine swap..any one done one....

[keithstorago]

just wondered if anyone has ever fitted a different motor to the 1990-99 tarago
tc10 model with 2tz motor...
commodore v6....Toyota 4 or 6 etc....

[wa5]

Don't think it would be possible. the motor lays on its' side to fit.. there is some very unique engineering in those things... I guess nothing is impossible, perhaps a Subaru motor might be made to fit... but by the time you buggered around, you'd have a very expensive car that nobody wanted because it had been messed around with.

[keithstorago]

messed with...this is the engine swap section?????

[wa5]

I refer to how most people view vehicles that have had engine swaps.. that the car has been "messed with".. Most engine swaps cost twice as much as people budget for, and some work out half as well as planned. By all means, swap in something like a flat 6 Subaru engine.. doubt you'd get out of it for less than 10 grand, for a car that's worth, how much? 5k ?

if you are going to keep it, and want more power or whatever.. that's fine, But......

Try to sell it in twelve months time, and get your money back.. people will walk past your car for a newer ACR30 or 50 Tarago..

[keithstorago]

$10,000.would you pay that???
I can do it my self for under $1000 or I wont attempt it....
thinking mid mounted v6 ecotec...
did it to my Bedford cf van....

[lexsmaz]

That's a Very Very low budget you have there, good luck & no one is going to stop you from starting it but if you think you are going to add Value to the price of the Tarago I think you might need to have a re-think on that one !! & as has been said lack of height for the engine space is going to be an issue I'm sure, best you get out a tape & measure before you start ..

[litldv8]

they came in the states with a supercharger if you want just a bit more grunt.
saw one locally in seqld maybe a month ago

[wa5]

Was looking at a 2TZ yesterday.. and yes, they are very low.. trying to fit an ecotech into one would be..... ambitious. The engineers report for the altered seat mounts (as I believe you would have to change the engine covers to clear the 3.8) would probably chew up most of your budget.. along with certification for the conversion itself..

how would you run the A/C and Power Steer pumps? would you still use the original front mounted units? (that run on a shaft connected to the crank of the 2 tz.. because there isn't enough room to have them in the engine bay) or run new lines to the engine bay and run the Commodore items? and try to fit them under the engine cover or change it .. and sit with your head rubbing the roof lining?

[Ken_T]

I dunno how relevant this is but there's a Hiace around here with a 2jz in it. Not a 2tz but originally fitted with 2rz.

http://www.toymods.org.au/forums/toy...e-sale-wa.html
http://www.toymods.org.au/forums/showthread.php?t=59728

[wa5]

Not relevant at all, TCR Taragos have a unique body. that has noting in common with Hiaces (except diff centres (on non IRS cars) and gearboxes) the engine in the Tarago lays on its side (IE the pistons move on a horizontal plane)... under the front seats. .. all the usual belt driven accessories are mounted about 1 metre ahead of the engine, under the bonnet(because there simply isn't room to mount them on the engine). and are driven by a shaft that runs back to the harmonic balancer on the front of the engine.. TCR 10s are an expensive/ brilliant/ complicated/ inspired/ troublesome dead end design.

[lexsmaz]

Being blunt here but if you see some of the questions He is asking regarding the TPS on his other post which wa5 has been helping him with makes me feel that unless He has a lot of help its not going to happen & Especially with His Budget !! .. My thought's anyway ..

[playwme]

. TCR 10s are an expensive/ brilliant/ complicated/ inspired/ troublesome dead end design.

Agree, plus they're worth nothing these days. You can buy an ACR30 for under 10k and anyone needing a 7 seater and only has a couple grand to spend won't be able to afford the maintenance and downtime of a wombat Tarago.

[wa5]

most of em are definitely past their use by date. Most owners are just trying to keep em going a little bit longer

[keithstorago]

wow..lots of encouragement there...NOT...
who said I wanted a 7 seater????
can fit v6 under the bonnet...
or midmounted....
as for tps on other thread still having problems...
I can do it myself easy.....don't loose sleep people over costs and engineers...
my problem
don't have $10,000 for arc30....there ugly anyway.....
I have motor box etc
computer bla bla bla....
I don't nead a lot of help......as for budget my problem again.......
having trouble with tps ..not engine conversion....
thanks for running me down people.....

[maj]

Not trying to be rude (plenty of that on here already) but I guess you answer is "no, no one has tried it, buy something newer". Don't let that get you down though, maybe you aren't asking the right question.

I hope you can get some resolve with your TPS/E10 fuel issue, could well be you need a good fuel system flush (might set you back a little bit), but in case you don't get resolve, think about this below from a perspective that the whole engine would be dropped and rebuilt, with performance increase along the way.


To constructively elaborate on something previously mentioned. Your TC10 runs a 2TZ-FE, there is a 2TZ-FZE which used *slightly* lowered compression (0.4:1 less in fact) and bolted on a supercharger.

Considering we're talking 1990's spec engine, that little difference in compression in order to run a supercharger in the USA could be explained due to differences in fuel octane, requiring it to be lower in order to stop detonation. Lower compression assists boost, so even if you were hesistant, I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard going online to Toyota parts dealers and EPC data, finding the lower compression pistons and installing them in your 2TZ-FE.

Fast forward to 2014, I believe it would be possible you could strap a modern supercharger and bring up this fact with an engineer that in other markets they ran a force fed setup with a mild power increase. Couple an SC upgrade with an aftermarket ECU to yield greater performance, fuel economy and safeguard against detonation, I think it's possible you could do all of this for the same price or possibly even less than a complex engine swap.

Considering an SC would give you a much needed torque increase in lower RPM, I'd see this hugely desirable in a Tarago. Little wonder they did this with the SC14 equipped Previa.