GT86 into ???

[justsendit269]

Hi all
I can't find anything on this, has anyone ever considered purchasing a wrecked GT86 and putting the heart and all its goodies into say an old Celica etc.

Costly for what is probably not the most bang for buck. But to me once all the hard yards are done, it would be a different yet reliable weekender..

I'm a loooong way from being able to do this, but I'm just trying to think of different yet still in the Toyota name ideas.
why this came to mind is being I have a TA22 we all know they don't have the hugest engine bays, so I'm trying to stick to a 4 cylinder engine.

So what's you're thoughts?

[maj]

Boxer engines means you need a lot of footprint for an engine bay, not height etc. Like most inline 4 cyls.

Based on this, you have little to no luck getting a boxer 4 between the chassis rails of a LOT of cars. In fact I'd go as far as the only chassis you should even think about swapping an FA20 engine into, is another soobie

There's a lot of high output, free revving NA engines out there, the FA20 isn't anything special over the others. Apart from the D4S system, it's barely Toyota made anyway.

Get a 1.8 2ZZ or 3SGE BEAMS and chuck it in a TA22, much better choice. Even a 7AG blacktop would be sweet.

[justsendit269]

Boxer engines means you need a lot of footprint for an engine bay, not height etc. Like most inline 4 cyls.

Based on this, you have little to no luck getting a boxer 4 between the chassis rails of a LOT of cars. In fact I'd go as far as the only chassis you should even think about swapping an FA20 engine into, is another soobie

There's a lot of high output, free revving NA engines out there, the FA20 isn't anything special over the others. Apart from the D4S system, it's barely Toyota made anyway.

Get a 1.8 2ZZ or 3SGE BEAMS and chuck it in a TA22, much better choice. Even a 7AG blacktop would be sweet.

Thanks for that, actually steered me away a fair bit haha.

What would you say is a small toyota motor, efi, that parts aren't hard to find..?

[maj]

Any Toyota engine would be easy to find parts for if you know where to look. 3SGE engines in particular came to a lot of cars in Australia, however are not necessarily in a RWD format but can be converted no worries. Are very durable in most situations where you might not be looking for a crazy high power turbo. Rally pedigree.

Second running for a fairly modern engine would be the 4AG, since they came delivered in AE82/92's and AW11's locally and in a bunch of other cars in Japan, and are also an absolute brick of a thing, respond to modifications very well and very hard to kill. In factory NA form will run for 300,000kms, abeit a bit smokey, but will always start every morning and never falter when you wanna wring its neck. With the AE86 continuing to be popular, they maintain a good aftermarket part base, in fact there are companies still bringing out new parts for these engines. Including 1.8L 7AF to 7AG conversion kits, and even 7A stroker kits (aka 9AG).

If you wanna take a step back into Toyota history, you have the 18R-G engine. Very popular period correct engine and proven in race cars many times over. May be a little harder to find new parts for, but so many are out there and so many people vested in keeping them going strong, you can always find good second hand parts and parts reconditioners.

I could keep going on, but you are spoilt for choice when it comes to small Toyota engines. I think someone else would be better recommending a simple and good conversion into your TA22 in particular, as it's not my strong point, though I know 4AG's are usually on that list.

[Major Clod]

Consider the 3SGE Beams RWD. Hard to beat the kw/$ ratio if you're looking for a N/A 2.0L with minimal effort in actually chasing power.

Can't imagine I'd have an engine close to its power, drive-ability, efficiency and reliability if I'd spent $5000 on my old 18RG.

On paper for power and torque its on par or slightly head of the 86 and will likely fit better in old Toyota's.

It does need to be revved though for maximum enjoyment - but sounds unreal when you do.

[eightsixboy]

Boxer n/a = I don't know what it is about the flat four boxer but imo they suck when n/a.

As mentioned a beams 3s or 18rg would be alot better/easier.

[Javal]

Another vote for the BEAMS 3SGE. Great engine from a perfomance and bang for your buck perspective. Already RWD format, easy to work in a rack and pinion setup with minor sump mods, awesome free revving n/a character (especiallly with aftermarket ecu and quad throttles), good aftermarket support, it's the rwd toyota 4cyl of choice for the 2010's.

[justsendit269]

Any Toyota engine would be easy to find parts for if you know where to look. 3SGE engines in particular came to a lot of cars in Australia, however are not necessarily in a RWD format but can be converted no worries. Are very durable in most situations where you might not be looking for a crazy high power turbo. Rally pedigree.

Second running for a fairly modern engine would be the 4AG, since they came delivered in AE82/92's and AW11's locally and in a bunch of other cars in Japan, and are also an absolute brick of a thing, respond to modifications very well and very hard to kill. In factory NA form will run for 300,000kms, abeit a bit smokey, but will always start every morning and never falter when you wanna wring its neck. With the AE86 continuing to be popular, they maintain a good aftermarket part base, in fact there are companies still bringing out new parts for these engines. Including 1.8L 7AF to 7AG conversion kits, and even 7A stroker kits (aka 9AG).

If you wanna take a step back into Toyota history, you have the 18R-G engine. Very popular period correct engine and proven in race cars many times over. May be a little harder to find new parts for, but so many are out there and so many people vested in keeping them going strong, you can always find good second hand parts and parts reconditioners.

I could keep going on, but you are spoilt for choice when it comes to small Toyota engines. I think someone else would be better recommending a simple and good conversion into your TA22 in particular, as it's not my strong point, though I know 4AG's are usually on that list.

After reading what everyone has said, I have pretty much decided 3sge. I won't be buying a motor anytime soon as I have a long way to go. But that seems like the best path, for what I want.
And Javal, quad throttles would be amazing, but thats all down the track.

[Supra967]

Should be able to fit a boxer in anything originally fwd or awd, eg GT4. My handy van is about 20mm off accepting an ej20 between the rails.

[maj]

Should be able to fit a boxer in anything originally fwd or awd, eg GT4. My handy van is about 20mm off accepting an ej20 between the rails.

Boxers usually sit 20mm inside each rail anyway, makes changing spark plugs fun. Not so sure about the FWD part though, they aren't a transverse engine like a GT4.

Just note, I definitely would vote the BEAMS 3SGE as a fantastic engine and worthy of a conversion, however I'd stress that they might not be the simples engine to convert into a TA chassis. I've researched their feasility into an RA chassis, which has much more engine bay space, and even though you can swap out the subframe fairly easily to something that is more willing to accept the BEAMS, they are still not for the novice engine swapper.
It's very much a case of measure 10x, cut once when it comes to modifying the KE70 subframe in an RA28. Someone who has converted them before would be of great help.

In a TA22, no idea if this is as easy or not. 4AGZE conversion is probably much easier but you're losing out a 0.4L displacement and a good 50HP power in factory form, but all you need to do is whack on a modern blower, or even better, a decent sized snail, even a TD04, with aftermarket management, and you'll quickly surpass a factory BEAMS.

[trdee]

An A series engine is a much simpler proposition into a TA22. You would need to get all the bits to make it RWD though. gearbox, bellhousing, intake etc. Unless you get one of the few AE86 engines that are still floating around

[justsendit269]

Am I wrong in think that it would be easier to buy a smashed car, or a half cut. To utilize most of the engine bay components. Loom ecu, fuse box etc..

4age was my original idea, but then I tried to find one and couldn't so I started thinking of other engines, but I can now tell I wasn't looking hard enough and finding one won't be too hard. I love the sound of an N/A 4age with ITB's too

Actually that is a silly question, being fwd and converting it to rear would mean I can't use the computer.

[maj]

If you are looking for a swap where you can prove emissions and ease of engineering, correct a half cut would be the easiest route.

However with a bit of research, there's no reason you couldn't acquire a 4AGZE with loom out of a halfcut somewhere, and have it engineered accordingly and an emissions friendly tune to pass any EPA tests.

There's no difference in terms of the ECU whether it was a FWD or RWD format, it's simply the gearbox you wanna use changes along with the coolant routing, intake etc.

[trdee]

Also depending on how retarded you want to go, the 4A may be a better option. Much more aftermarket support. You could build a 1.9L stroker for around 5k in parts and you will have a brand new forged bottom end with whatever compression ratio you want. Also ITBs are more easily done than on a 3S.

[tomvale13]

Unsure of how much an RS200 frontcut would be from Japan, but that could be an option..?

4A is probably the cheaper route though I guess.