5EFE - can it be made to go?

**Lagstar** · 17-06-2006, 03:32 AM

Hey guys,

a coupla years ago I took my (now ex) girlfriend's '92 Paseo for a long mountain drive through Tassie. We covered about 600km in two days, much of which was tightly bent mountain runs - many being Targa stages. Anyhoo, it was amazing fun! A completely standard car, and I was lift-off oversteer sliding through corners perilously close to sheer drop-offs, but at all times felt very in control. It handled beyond anything I expected of it. Its downfalls however were brakes - needed cooling avery 30 min or so, and of course the gutless engine. The 5EFE provided ample response for linking corners, but on any straightways or uphills it lost all excitement. I'm considering building a Paseo of my own now for mountain driving because of the fond memories of that car. I don't want to go
4EFTE turbo, because I want the instant response of an NA. How much do you think I could get from the 5EFE with high-lift cams, headers, high-comp(12:1) pistons and an enlarged throttle body? Or would it be more cost effective to slot in a 4AGE? Thoughts?

**LeeRoy** · 17-06-2006, 04:11 AM

Why not go a beams 3s?

- LeeRoy

**Lagstar** · 17-06-2006, 11:59 AM

Isn't the Beams 3SGE a RWD motor? Also, isn't it damn expensive...

**c2888** · 17-06-2006, 12:15 PM

there's a 20v conversion floating around on the net, so it will fit, although details are very basic.

supercharge it with a sc12, never seen it done, but if it goes 95% as well as a 4agze you'll have a grin you can't get rid of

This would be my choice for making a small engine feel bigger, and if you keep the clutch on the supercharger you will have most of the efficiency before it got boosted. WIN WIN

DAN

**LeeRoy** · 18-06-2006, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by Lagstar

Isn't the Beams 3SGE a RWD motor? Also, isn't it damn expensive...

Yes and yes, but the 3s also came in fwd config so theres lots of bits you could steal from fwd celica's at wreckers.

I don't mean to dishearten you and if this is what you really want then go for it by all means. I just hate to see people spend all this money then go "well shit, i should have just gone....some other way"

- LeeRoy

**bnicho** · 18-06-2006, 05:05 PM

I know you said you want N/A, but have you considered a 4EFTE 1.3 Turbo from a Starlet GT? If the Paseo is similar to the Sera imports, the 4EFTE should drop straight in with only the wiring to sort.

Will a 4AGE 20V or 4AGZE fit in there? Either of those should make it scream!

Food for thought anyway.

Cheers,

**Maverick** · 18-06-2006, 05:28 PM

hey champ, there are many responsive engines that are turbocharged, and if your going to the expense of rebuilding a motor, get a smallish to medium sized turbo slapped on, it will make the car much much more fun to drive. with correct sizing lag will be almost non-existant.

**Lagstar** · 18-06-2006, 10:04 PM

Well, I'm off to the wreckers then. Totally forgot about 3S celicas. I found on the net a jap MR2 that in NA form had been tuned to 260hp - and there was an AE101 Levin campained in GT300 for a while that was powered by an NA 300hp 3SGE. Forgotten the name of the team but it was bright yellow like the JUN cars. I reckon I could get good power from the 3S in NA form. Food for thought. Cheers for bringing that up LeeRoy.

**buck naked** · 19-06-2006, 12:34 AM

The iron-block 3S isn't the lightest engine around. High-power NA engines don't exactly have the broadest power band either.

A well-sized turbo or supercharged engine would not only be significantly cheaper, it would offer the performance you are seeking.

**oldcorollas** · 19-06-2006, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by Lagstar

Well, I'm off to the wreckers then. Totally forgot about 3S celicas. I found on the net a jap MR2 that in NA form had been tuned to 260hp - and there was an AE101 Levin campained in GT300 for a while that was powered by an NA 300hp 3SGE. Forgotten the name of the team but it was bright yellow like the JUN cars. I reckon I could get good power from the 3S in NA form. Food for thought. Cheers for bringing that up LeeRoy.

be careful of claims

260hp 4A is mroe than a formula atlantic motor.. and while they are reve restricted.. you want an 11000rpm motor with a life of hours??

to answer the original question... yes you can get more out of the 5E. but you may not get a huge amount compared to the spend.
going 4AG will also not be a huge improvement.. remember it is still just a 1.6L.. rev happy, but still small.

as C2888 said, if you wanted to be a bit different, you could fit an SC12 from a GZE onto the 5E... means you can keep pretty much everything in the car, run it at maybe 6-8psi boost (conservative with timing) and get a fair bit more grunt without compromising response or drivability...

don't write off the 5E so quickly

or jump on the 4A/3S bandwagon so quickly either....
i wonder how many people who keep suggesting a beams 3S have a) driven one, or b) fitted one

**Vios-GT_07** · 19-06-2006, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by oldcorollas

i wonder how many people who keep suggesting a beams 3S have a) driven one, or b) fitted one

i've chased one down the highway when i went back on a holiday (overseas).. toyota Altezza, with the factory 3S-GE Beams item..

it's not as impressive maybe coz of the big body? me 1NZ was actually right beside it from 100 till 180... no kidding... power to weight maybe??